{"id":5045,"date":"2025-06-25T13:59:21","date_gmt":"2025-06-25T05:59:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/staging.objectifs.com.sg\/?p=5045"},"modified":"2025-07-09T11:23:24","modified_gmt":"2025-07-09T03:23:24","slug":"in-conversation-sarah-isabelle-tan-and-veejay-villafranca","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/in-conversation-sarah-isabelle-tan-and-veejay-villafranca\/","title":{"rendered":"In Conversation: Sarah Isabelle Tan and Veejay Villafranca"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"5045\" class=\"elementor elementor-5045\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-51e07f6 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"51e07f6\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3b22f02 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"3b22f02\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-55123e5 elementor-widget__width-inherit elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"55123e5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"wp-caption\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" src=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga.jpg\" class=\"attachment-full size-full wp-image-5044\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga.jpg 900w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga-600x400.jpg 600w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figcaption class=\"widget-image-caption wp-caption-text\"><\/figcaption>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ba492bb e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"ba492bb\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-cef233e e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"cef233e\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a612b29 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"a612b29\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">In Conversation: Sarah Isabelle Tan and Veejay Villafranca<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4ca1251 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"4ca1251\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit;\">The session is a dialogue between artist Sarah Isabelle Tan and her mentor Veejay Villafranca on the process of working on her project, Alaga, moderated by the Programme Director of Objectifs, Chelsea Chua. Letecia B. Ducusin, a foreign domestic worker from the Philippines who is employed by Sarah\u2019s family and is the subject of&nbsp;<\/span><i style=\"font-weight: inherit;\">Alaga<\/i><span style=\"font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit;\">, was also present. The discussion has been paraphrased for brevity.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9bd3aea elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"9bd3aea\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4017db2 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"4017db2\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-677f8b5 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"677f8b5\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0b5b033 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"0b5b033\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"583\" src=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga_Conversation-1024x583.png\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-image-5047\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga_Conversation-1024x583.png 1024w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga_Conversation-600x342.png 600w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga_Conversation-300x171.png 300w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga_Conversation-768x437.png 768w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.objectifs.com.sg\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/Alaga_Conversation.png 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7342f1b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7342f1b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b>I call Leticia \u201cAunty Leti\u201d and she has always called me \u201calaga\u201d, which in Tagalog means \u201ca person, a pet or what is being taken care of\u201d. Aunty Leti began working for and living with my family when I was just three months old. She was 34 years old then. She will turn 60 \u2014 the legal retirement age for foreign domestic workers in Singapore \u2014 this year.\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Chelsea:\u00a0<\/b>Sarah\u2019s approach to photography has always been more conceptual while Veejay has such a strong background in photojournalism. What was it like working together as a mentee and mentor, and how have these differences informed your experience?\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Veejay:\u00a0<\/b>It was a year-long process of unravelling and putting together what Sarah wanted to say. The starting point was that Sarah was starting to get heartbroken that a woman who stayed with her for almost three decades would be leaving. How could she use her memories and experiences to form\u00a0<i>Alaga<\/i>?<\/p><p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b>I decided to embark on\u00a0<i>Alaga\u00a0<\/i>when Aunty Leti received her retirement notice from the Ministry of Manpower. The impending separation was a loss I had to anticipate. Where had the years we spent together gone? When someone is always around in your everyday life, you never truly question what they mean to you. In my childhood I never fully grasped the person Aunty Leti was to me.<\/p><p><b>Veejay:\u00a0<\/b>Why did you decide to pick up a camera in response?\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b>I know that time cannot be grasped, but wanted to try to document the nuances and moments that define our relationship, and express myself, through photography.\u00a0<\/p><p>I visited Aunty Leti\u2019s hometown in the Philippines in December 2019 and made photographs while also hearing stories recounted by her and her family, exploring the landscapes they grew up and live in, and looking together at their old family photos. Looking at the parts of Aunty\u2019s life I wasn\u2019t a part of, opened up new dimensions to the project which included revisiting my own family archives and reflecting on my own memories. I don\u2019t actually remember being in some of my childhood photos with Aunty, though they feel familiar.<\/p><p>The rest of the photographs were made in Singapore last year, mainly within the spaces of the home, alongside audio recordings and texts by Aunty Leti and myself. I captured ordinary moments like Aunty drinking her morning coffee \u2014 gestures which I will miss when she leaves Singapore.<\/p><p><b>Chelsea:\u00a0<\/b>You had presented a small selection of these photos in a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/deck.sg\/event\/undescribed-5\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">group show<\/a>.<b>\u00a0<\/b><\/p><p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b>Yes, that was still in the early stages of the work. I was still exploring how best to show the relationship between Aunty and myself. The project was more personal and showed the relationship and time that had passed.<\/p><p><b>Audience Member:\u00a0<\/b>What did you learn about yourself when making these photographs? Were there other images that showed Aunty Leti\u2019s subjectivity towards you as her alaga?\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Audience Member:\u00a0<\/b>Was there a time in the making of the project when Leticia became the documentarian herself?\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b>In the early stages we explored how the idea of the gaze worked both ways. I began work on\u00a0<i>Alaga\u00a0<\/i>by considering what I mean to Aunty Leti and by contemplating myself as the subject of not only Aunty Leti\u2019s care but also her gaze. In the early stages I would photograph her and also have her photograph me \u2014 with her phone, the device that she is comfortable with. I wanted to see how she really views me. When we love someone and give them a space in our lives, the relationship itself gives us a certain identity. I realised that when Aunty Leti leaves Singapore for good, no one will ever call me\u00a0<i>alaga\u00a0<\/i>again.<\/p><p>We discussed quite a bit how I\u2019d insert myself within this narrative. I was really\u00a0<i>looking\u00a0<\/i>at Aunty Leti, not just in the everyday way you see somebody but through sitting and listening, and through conversations. Aunty is from an indigenous group called the Igorot and I learned from her about their culture and practices.<\/p><p>In the final edit exhibited, there are many photos of Aunty and hardly any of myself. Through my discussions with Chelsea and Veejay I realised that the photographs I had taken already showed the gestures of care that Aunty Leti has given me. I realised that for me, family is not just about blood relations but more about what feels like a safe space. With Aunty, it feels like that.<\/p><p><b>Chelsea:\u00a0<\/b>How did Veejay\u2019s experiences living and working in the Philippines influence your understanding of the work and the kind of approaches you\u2019ve suggested to Sarah?\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Veejay:\u00a0<\/b>Before Sarah formed the main idea about\u00a0<i>alaga\u00a0<\/i>meaning \u201cbeing taken care of\u201d, we had many discussions about the experiences of Filipinos working overseas. I shared some information and other bodies of work about women, mothers and Filipina women to help her into the next phase.\u00a0 I also shared with her my personal experiences of meeting, interviewing and spending time with overseas Filipino workers. I think most Filipinos would also know at least one overseas contract worker and have heard their stories.<\/p><p>Most of the time overseas foreign workers, Filipino workers, are in the news for what happens to them, the abuses they experience. Sarah\u2019s approach is a bit unorthodox from a journalistic perspective because she\u2019s starting from herself. It\u2019s very refreshing and another way of telling the stories of other people and discussing bigger issues of migration, economics and so on.\u00a0<\/p><p>With Sarah\u2019s intention I saw a great opportunity to tell a more nuanced sort of story or give a wider perspective on the experiences of overseas Filipino workers, especially Aunty\u2019s generation who may be the first or second generation to work in this region. Some worked in the Middle East and some in Europe but the ones who stay in Asia have a different sort of experience. They\u2019re near their home country but far from their families.\u00a0<\/p><p>Sarah could not fly back to the Philippines to shoot due to the Covid-19 pandemic. So we considered what other aspects of Aunty\u2019s life in her last few months in Singapore \u2014\u00a0now that she\u2019s almost retired \u2014\u00a0we could still visualise: her packing\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Balikbayan_box\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">balikbayan boxes<\/a>, attending a birthday party, chatting with her son, her days off, her chilling in her room and using social media, watching videos on her phone.<\/p><p>In traditional documentary work, those scenes may not mean a lot because they are not \u201cstrong news images\u201d. But in new forms of storytelling, these do matter, especially when the final output is an exhibition. I too learned a lot in the process about not only using what we see in front of the camera as documentarians, but also learning more about the subject, becoming more intimate, trying to be more intricate in determining metaphors.\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b>Veejay really encouraged me to push the meaning and concept of\u00a0<i>alaga<\/i>\u00a0by exploring the nurture and care that many foreign workers \u2014 mainly women \u2014 bring with them across geographical distances. There\u2019s an outflow of labour and the sacrifices that come with it, like their families that they leave behind, how they manage to raise their kids while caring for strangers overseas. Veejay pushed me to examine how the immigration of women passes on the culture of caring for someone to a stranger.\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Veejay:\u00a0<\/b>Aunty Leti, what did you feel when you saw the completed exhibition? What are your plans after you retire?<\/p><p><b>Letecia:\u00a0<\/b><i>(Translated from Tagalog by Veejay)\u00a0<\/i>I cannot believe that the person I took care of would grow up to be someone documenting my story. After I retire I\u2019ll wait a year or two and maybe by then Sarah will have children for me to take care of!\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b>Ultimately,\u00a0<i>Alaga<\/i>\u00a0is a really personal body of work and something that I hold really close to my heart. It\u2019s really fulfilling and heartwarming to see everything come together \u2014 all these years and all the life left yet \u2014 and become somewhat tangible. It\u2019s something I can hold onto as a remembrance and celebration of a wonderful woman that has cared for me all my life.<\/p><p><b>Audience Member:\u00a0<\/b>What advice would you give photographers looking to make work centered on personal and intimate themes? How can we manage the tension between conceptualisation and execution?\u00a0<\/p><p><b>Sarah:\u00a0<\/b><i>Alaga\u00a0<\/i>is\u00a0my first documentary work and this was one of the challenges I faced: How do I bring the intimacy of emotional moments into documentary work, which is largely objective? Veejay and I went back and forth on this. I also learnt a lot from Veejay\u2019s methodology. I tend to get very wrapped up in my own head at times, thinking of 10 different ideas at once. Veejay helped keep me grounded by identifying two to three topics to go in-depth into.<\/p><p><b>Veejay:\u00a0<\/b>I kept pulling Sarah back to these two avenues: Aunty Leti\u2019s life and Sarah\u2019s life. How do you merge the two together? This type of work, documenting something personal, is a mixed bag. Of course, a lot of it is rooted in traditional documentary: you need a certain workflow, methodology and to observe, research and be very keen on your subject\u2019s life. 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