{"id":40042,"date":"2021-07-13T22:03:24","date_gmt":"2021-07-13T14:03:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/?p=40042"},"modified":"2021-07-13T22:08:04","modified_gmt":"2021-07-13T14:08:04","slug":"the-faghag-and-her-director-pam-oei-ivan-heng-interview-each-other","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/the-faghag-and-her-director-pam-oei-ivan-heng-interview-each-other\/","title":{"rendered":"The Faghag and Her Director: Pam Oei &#038; Ivan Heng Interview Each Other!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-pale-pink-color\">Ivan, rate Pam as a Faghag upon 5 stars, and explain your rating!<\/span><\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: 5 STARS! 5 UPON 5! Pam is not just a best friend. She&#8217;s a champion for the LGBTQ+ community. She is an ally and she walks the talk, and she gets very angry on our behalf whenever there&#8217;s a sense of injustice, or inequality [regarding LGBTQ+ issues]. And she acts on it. I don&#8217;t think that I could ask for a better Faghag.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-pale-pink-color\">Ivan, can you share your coming-out story with us?<\/span><\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: I always realised I was different, but in the 1960s and the 1970s, when I was a teenager and a young boy, we didn\u2019t have the internet, the literature or the vocabulary we do now. I didn\u2019t know I was gay. So I think it was quite a confusing time. The first person I actually came out to was my sister. I think I was 15 or 16.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: Really, your sister?!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: We were studying for our exams.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: Great timing, great timing!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: Yeah, it was the middle of the night, and I just felt this urge as I was walking upstairs to bed. I just felt this impulse to say, \u201cIvy,\u201d \u2013 that&#8217;s my sister&#8217;s name, Ivy and Ivan \u2013 \u201cIvy, I think <em>hia<\/em> is gay.\u201d Then she basically just looked up from her books and said, \u201cYeah, I know.\u201d So anticlimax.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: [laughing] I can so see Ivy doing this!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"ast-oembed-container\" style=\"height: 100%;\"><iframe title=\"The Faghag and Her Director: Ivan &amp; Pam Interview Each Other!\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mPswXOXi0U4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-pale-pink-color\">When did you know that theatre was the career for you?<\/span><\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: I think I knew pretty much from my first professional role in Michael Chiang\u2019s <em>Beauty Box<\/em> in 1994. It was a small role in a short play. And I pretty much knew that was it lah, for me. But then I didn\u2019t go into it full-time. I went to architecture school leh \u2013 <em>lao niang<\/em> went architecture school for six years, understand! I became an architect and I really didn\u2019t have the courage to do theatre full-time until my mother died. She died young at 54, of breast cancer, and that\u2019s when I went, \u201cOkay, life is too short, better just do it.\u201d At that point, I thought \u2013 if hungry, go back architecture, you know? But I never went back. And now, I want to go back to architecture, but I can\u2019t. Because last time I used ruler and pen to draw one, now it&#8217;s computer, I cannot already!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: I always knew that theatre was a happy place for me, because I felt I belonged. I felt I was in my element. I only <em>knew<\/em> and had a kind of inkling about pursuing theatre as a career when I went to drama school in Scotland. Because, my first day there, I understood that there was actually industry, and there were actors getting agents. In Singapore, there were just one or two companies. So there was no career to talk about. Everyone was either a lawyer or a whatever by day, you know what I mean? But when I went to the UK was when I saw and understood the possibilities. And once I understood that and I graduated, I then felt the pull to come back to Singapore, because it felt that there was a lot happening here, and I felt I could make a difference. And then we just created something together, all of us together \u2013 it\u2019s been the work of a community actually.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/IMG_2860-1024x768.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-40043\" srcset=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/IMG_2860-1024x768.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/IMG_2860-600x450.jpeg 600w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/IMG_2860-768x576.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/IMG_2860-1536x1152.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/IMG_2860-2048x1536.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Ivan cheers Pam and music director Julian Wong on during a pre-show soundcheck<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-pale-pink-color\">How can allies support their LGBTQ+ loved ones who are struggling with coming out?<\/span><\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: I think everyone in their own time, and there are also some people who, for whatever reason, cannot come out. Maybe they are part of a religious group, maybe they are in a straight marriage with children. They just can\u2019t come out. I think \u2013 always offer them support. Tell them that <em>you<\/em> will be there for them. So always just keep reassuring your LGBTQ+ friend that, if everybody else fails them, you will be there for them. And it\u2019s okay to be who they are, with you. Just offer a one-person pillar of support first \u2013 just tell that person: \u201cI am here for you, okay? No matter what, there\u2019s me. I\u2019m here for you.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: Yeah, because you\u2019re a starting point. I mean, the world is straight. So, when a LGBTQ+ person comes out, it\u2019s really coming out to a straight world. the ally is that first point of contact, that first person that says, \u201cYou&#8217;re safe, you\u2019re okay with me.\u201d So I think that when LGBTQ+ allies realise that \u2013 it\u2019s an important role. That\u2019s who you are for us. Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: I just heard a story today, that a straight ally decided to put a little Pride flag on the table in her office for Pride Month. And just that little gesture \u2013 everybody, even though it was quite a liberal office, became loosened up. And then a very closeted colleague came out to her. This colleague was closeted to the whole world, but was so relieved that she could come out to this one person who put the gay flag on the table. You know? So every little gesture does count. When I light up my home in pink [for Pink Dot], I look out the window, and try to look for other lights of pink, and in my area, there are not many. But I hope that my lighting up of my window in pink, and people can see it bright and pink and clear, that it gives a little bit of something to somebody else \u2013 \u201cOkay, I\u2019ve got one window rooting for me.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<center><blockquote class=\"instagram-media\" data-instgrm-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/CQ28eNxFm9G\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" data-instgrm-version=\"13\" style=\" background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:540px; min-width:326px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);\"><div style=\"padding:16px;\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/CQ28eNxFm9G\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" style=\" background:#FFFFFF; line-height:0; padding:0 0; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; width:100%;\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <div style=\" display: flex; flex-direction: row; 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font-size:14px; line-height:17px; margin-bottom:0; margin-top:8px; overflow:hidden; padding:8px 0 7px; text-align:center; text-overflow:ellipsis; white-space:nowrap;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/CQ28eNxFm9G\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" style=\" color:#c9c8cd; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; line-height:17px; text-decoration:none;\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">A post shared by WILD RICE @ Funan (@wildricesg)<\/a><\/p><\/div><\/blockquote> <script async=\"\" src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script><\/center>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-pale-pink-color\">What advice would you give people \u2013 young and young at heart \u2013 who want to work in the theatre?<\/span><\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: It\u2019s very hard work and now COVID, no work. So do something else first. Be a teacher. Be an environmentalist. Don&#8217;t do it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: Don\u2019t do it. [both laugh] Don\u2019t do it unless you <em>have<\/em> to do it. Because it\u2019s a hard life. But it\u2019s a good life, because it makes you a better human being \u2013 it makes you care about people, it makes you care about society. You\u2019ve got to go through a lot. But you will be richly rewarded\u2026 not financially! But it\u2019s good for your soul!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-pale-pink-color\">With 377A on the books, we\u2019re still a long way from marriage equality. Ivan, can you tell us what it means to you to be married to your wonderful husband, Tony?<\/span><\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: First and foremost, for us, it was a celebration, a milestone \u2013 for us to be equal. We never thought about it as a political act. Because I believe in marriage. I love the idea of marriage \u2013 that someone will always be there. But it\u2019s also public! Marriage is a public declaration, and you need witnesses. And so we were very happy to have our friends witness. But then, of course, because it was on the front page of <em>The Straits Times<\/em>, everyone also witnessed it and, I think we&#8217;re stronger for it. We are happy to share and very happy to be married.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: I think that, for other LGBTQ couples or members of the community, seeing someone like you get married \u2013 legal, out there, \u2018this is my husband, he cooks for me\u2019\u2026 it means something for someone who may not be able to say that or do that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IVAN: Yes! But I think it&#8217;s important to say, it\u2019s not just \u2018gay marriage\u2019. I think the term that I like using is [in unison with Pam] \u2018marriage equality\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/VIDEO-STILL-3-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-40045\" srcset=\"https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/VIDEO-STILL-3-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/VIDEO-STILL-3-600x338.jpg 600w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/VIDEO-STILL-3-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/VIDEO-STILL-3-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/glutenfreepleasure.com\/__proxy_domain\/www.wildrice.com.sg\/wr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/VIDEO-STILL-3.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Ivan and Pam hard at work in rehearsals for <em>Faghag<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><span class=\"has-inline-color has-pale-pink-color\">What\u2019s going to be different about the <em>Faghag<\/em> we see in 2021 vs 2018?<\/span><\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>PAM: We are 3 Pink Dots later; a lot of the climate has changed. 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